So, you think you know who is behind the NWO? Not so until you
have read this one. This is a hard hitting, blockbuster article by a
very knowledgeable individual, Eric Jon Phelps. There is no
question that he is not after fame for his revealing of this brutal and insidiously
sinister Order that works in cowardice behind the
scenes. He is putting his life in great danger, and but for the
protection of Jah, he is a dead man.
In publishing it, I will add a number of notes to it. Phelps has great knowledge in this area of the Black Pope and the Jesuits. He may be the foremost expert on the subject in our day. However, this does not make him an expert in other fields, and he says things that are wrong because he is lacking some information. We all need each other, in balance, to see things as they should be seen. That is why I will add some notes to this interview. It IS a powerhouse, and how much balance he has brought to me through that which he exposes!!!
People, I full well realize how extensive this study is, and how difficult it will be to thoroughly digest it, along with the included and necessary for understanding links. Especially as busy as everyone is. Let me tell you something. This study IS compulsory if you expect to come into the Overcoming. Much blindness is on everyone who does not understand these matters, and that blindness is causing ground for GREAT DECEPTION that has enveloped the entire earth. If you are not one who is aware of what shall be revealed here in this study, I say as politely as I can, you are a VICTIM of THAT DECEPTION!!!
I see this blindness on most of those who e-mail me. I am not picking on anyone with this statement. It is just the way it is folks, and a blindness of which we must ALL come out. This deception is making most of the people ONE WITH THE DEVOURER, and because it is deception, people do not realize what has happened to them.
This has caused me to pray much for a way to destroy this blindness, and now I have it. This study is NOT an option for any Overcomer. IT IS A REQUIRED COURSE!!! And, it matters not how much of your time it requires. Being "too busy with the cares of this life" is exactly what our King warned against.
The emphasis added in most cases are mine.
4/15/00 RICK MARTIN
So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the
main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe
been hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various
elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.
You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans)
the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the
economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the
Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17
wealthiest so-called "elite" families)—the Rothschilds in
England and Rockefellers in America and Bronfmans in Canada, and on and
on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order
puppets under the direction of darkly motivated, other-dimensional
"master deceivers" commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and
their "fallen angel" cohorts.
While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger
Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing
Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I
mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general public view,
and for so long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy
theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the
information that is going to be presented here.
To call the following outlay "controversial" and
"sensitive" is about as mild an understatement of the truth of
the matter as can be made! This missing link changes the entire slant of
the entire playing field!
After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally
able to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on
Tuesday, March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric’s
historic masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just
ask questions covering huge spans of time and major historical events.
It took us almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily
have gone on for another forty.
We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the
importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In
fact, in order to share this material with at least some of the
pertinent backup, Eric has granted us permission to print (directly
after the interview) several excerpts from his soon-to-be-published book
which will help you in understanding certain aspects of this
magnificently important and broad-sweeping story. The missing link is
surely a central link.
Let’s call this story the "Jesuit-Vatican connection" to
the unfolding New World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how
absolutely central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There’s a
good reason the secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains
so intact from outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like
to possess such a collection of information detailing much
"censored" data about our true, otherworldly cultural
When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help
but reflect back on the purposely "adjusted" and watered down
and boring moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true
history of what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.
In this business, I’ve heard and read a lot of things. But when I
had to pick my jaw up off the floor during the reading of certain
historical portions in Eric’s book—well, let me just say that Truth
certainly is stranger, and far more interesting, than the many fictions
we’ve been led to believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth does
fit together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
This book SHOULD be a best-seller, but it is hardly likely to achieve
such general attention—considering how well controlled and censored is
the publishing business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation
of this most astonishing and critically important material here in The
We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions. And
there is probably no more fundamental, mind-rattling, and previous
notions-shattering example of that than what is being presented here.
The interview is directly followed by a number of pertinent excerpts
from Eric’s eye-opening book—which will be available July 1.
[Editor’s note: It should be noted up-front that the information
presented below is the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here at The
SPECTRUM find much about his presentation of his historical research
which meshes with and expands upon Truth which has been presented by
many other authors in these pages and elsewhere. And that is good; Truth
is Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.
However, for the peace of mind of our unique readership—which
typically has cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the
general public—we do not want to give the impression that we agree
with (or wish to promote) some collateral aspects of Eric’s
presentation having to do with his personal "religious"
convictions. The focus of those convictions follows a much more
biblically conventional (literal) path—in stark contrast to the
unconventional, questioning, wide-angle vision of his historical
Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their
own—for you to sort and interpret as you see fit—rather than being
singled-out to be addressed editorially. However, in this case, the
practical side of Eric’s stated religious convictions include the
condoning of some degree of violence (or violent protest) and use of
armaments. And such convictions are very much the opposite of our
philosophical position—for many reasons, not the least of which is the
obvious Adversarial bait-and-entrapment which would result from choosing
what we would consider to be low-frequency responses to schoolroom
Earth’s current challenges.
Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates "between the
lines" thoughtfully, there is glimpsed a recurring commendable
spiritual message in Eric’s commentary—of "Have the courage to
speak The Truth" and "God helps those who help
themselves"—which we certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and
have long supported enthusiastically.
We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The
Light of Truth, intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many
to step forward and share what they know. Will such ones follow that
nudge or continue to hide in fear? The answer to that question is
perhaps the most important aspect of schoolroom Earth’s relentless
testing at this critical time.
One last-minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts
& Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to
air—on Easter Sunday evening!—a new two-hour documentary called: The
Vatican Revealed. Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the
lines of dialog and some of those people chosen for commentaries are
many, many clues to the true power of the Vatican over world affairs. It
would, of course, be much more revealing to watch the A&E program
AFTER having read and digested the following.]
Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The topic of
your book is so comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of
global control by the Jesuits, dating back to 1540. I would like to
begin our conversation with a very important point of clarification so
that our readers have something to hold onto while reading the
historical narrative we are about to present. Let me also add that your
book is one of the most compelling, dynamic, genuinely educational
historical documents I have ever read. I want to tell you, I am
You, literally, link every major global conflict and political
assassination to the hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many
other groups you mention, have been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit
Today, the present. I’m going to start here, and then we’re going
to go way back in time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE
because it will give a foundation for going back in time.
Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so-called
"Black Pope" [black here refers to hidden, evil activities,
not to race or color] who gives the orders to the actual Pope. Is it
still Jean-Baptist Janssens?
Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964. Then
Pedro Arrupe came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I believe,
the present Jesuit General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. [See photo
nearby.] I call him Count Hans Kolvenhoof.
Martin: Let’s discuss this position of "General"
and, in addition, who is this person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he
serve? What are his origins? Where does he hail from?
Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his nationality is
Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?
Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the
Jesuits, called the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in
Rome at, what I just called, the Jesuit headquarters.
Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?
Phelps: It’s not far from the Vatican, right. It’s in the
same general area. It’s headquarters of the Knights of Malta.
Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?
Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.
Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what is
the ultimate goal of the Jesuits, the so-called Society of Jesus?
Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit
Generals, they are sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they worship
what they would call Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan.
Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited—because he was a
top Jesuit at the time in the late ’60s—he was invited to a
"Black Mass" in Spain where there were quite a few top Jesuit
Generals present. And he called it a "Black Mass". Well, when
you’re involved in a "Black Mass", you’re involved in the
worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their black capes and so on.
Martin: I’m fascinated by Count Hans Kolvenbach because
nobody in the world knows who this person is. I’ve never heard the
Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can see his picture and
his top Jesuits—just a second and I’ll get the book. The name of the
book is called Jesuits: A Multi-Biography, by Jean Lacoutre, and
that is available, usually, in the bookstores. It was published in 1995.
Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist, is a communist. On
the last page of the pictures in it, that is right adjacent to page 343,
you see Peter Hans Kolvenbach. He’s the Jesuit General, and he looks
like just a very evil individual. There’s a Black man, who’s a high
Jesuit, he’s a 29 Superior Jesuit with his cosmopolitan General staff.
One of the General staff looks like Ben Kingsley of Shindler’s List.
There are six White men, and one Black man. And that’s his General
Martin: What is the process of choosing a successor General?
Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and he’s elected for
life—unless he becomes a "heretic".
Martin: And the so-called "High Jesuits" represent
Phelps: I would say that they’re the "professed",
the high 4th Degree. When a Jesuit is professed, he is under the Jesuit
Oath; he is under the "Bloody Oath" that I have in my
Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath in
Phelps: Of course, absolutely.
Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and
it’s similarity to the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion,
and I wrote that question before I got back to the Protocols
portion of your book.
Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because
they have carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have
carried everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says—and he was a
Jesuit—he was greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate,
Protestants, and Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by
Jack Chick. Jack Chick published his story in six volumes, titled Alberto
I, II, III, IV, V, & VI.
Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with the Pope who
published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just
the Jesuits themselves because they, and they alone, were the ones who
were able to bring this to pass.
They’re the ones in the government. They’re the ones behind
professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of
Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top
owners of these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of Malta,
getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports,
while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the things
in the Protocols—that they would create "amusements".
Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd-degree Freemason—Disneyworld,
Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey, with Hersey Park. They create
all of these amusements and games and pastimes to get the people drunk
with pleasure, while they’re busy overthrowing the Protestant form of
Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?
Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled by
the Mafia. But all the high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they
are ALL subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New York, which is
Cardinal O’Connor—because the Commission, the Mafia Commission
resides in New York.
Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was
intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul, Joe
Kennedy. And that has not changed.
So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High Mafia
Dons—the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And they
control Hollywood, not the Jews. It’s only Jews who are front-men who
are involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for the
Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen Spector
was Spelly’s [Cardinal Spellman’s] Jew in the assassination [of
President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.
(LGM: He is wrong on this one. The mob was, and IS
controlled by Sicilian Edomite Jews, NOT Italians.)
(LGM: He is wrong on this one. The mob was, and IS controlled by Sicilian Edomite Jews, NOT Italians.)
Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there’s anything that
you don’t want me to print, please let me know because, literally,
I’m going to print everything we say in this conversation.
Phelps: That’s fine, that’s fine with me because it needs
to be said.
Martin: Let’s get back to Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want to
shine the spotlight on this guy for just a little bit here. Let’s talk
about him. What does he do? Who is he? Let’s talk about his position
as "General". How do they exercise this control over the Pope?
Does the Pope know he’s a pawn?
Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do you
want me to deal with?
Martin: Let’s just shine the light right on the Count.
Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.
Martin: Let’s start there, and you tell me everything you
want to tell me about that position.
Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and
total dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his
provincials move. The provincials are his major subordinates. There are
around 83 provincials right now.
As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83
regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10
provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America.
There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world into these
So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in
Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a Roman
form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to
this worldwide sovereign.
The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order.
He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an
agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that country,
how best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and then he uses
legitimate grievances to foam an agitation—like the 1964 Civil Rights
Movement. That was ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because the end
result was more consolidation of power in Washington with the 1964 Civil
Rights Act that was written by [the longtime President of the
University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.
The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the
provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many
Jesuits who are not "professed", so many of the lower Jesuits
have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the
power of their Order.
It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower Freemasons have no idea that
the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They
think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the
bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the
Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great,
wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite
Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by
the Pope in 1773.
So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most
powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during
their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you
see the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars
carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins,
whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit Order.
It’s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The Count Of
Monte Cristo. The Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount, Cristo=Christ.
The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about the
Jesuit General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed, and
many of them were consigned to an island, three hours sailing, West, off
the coast of Portugal. And so, when the Jesuits finally regained their
power, they punished all of the monarchs of Europe who had suppressed
them, drove them from their thrones, including the Knights of Malta from
Malta, using Napoleon.
And Alexander Dumas, who fought for the Italian
patriots in 1848, to free Rome from the temporal power of the Pope,
wrote many books and one of the books was to expose this, and that was The
Count Of Monte Cristo.
So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it’s really a satire
on the Jesuit Order regaining their power in France. The Count of Monte
Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can’t be beat. Well,
that’s the Jesuit Order.
But the Count doesn’t get what he really ought to have, or his last
wish, and that’s the love of woman. He gains back all of his political
power; he gains back everything he lost; but he doesn’t have the love
of a woman. And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no women. They have
no love of a woman. Because to have a wife, to have a woman, means you
have an allegiance to your wife and family, and you cannot obey the
General. That’s why they will NEVER be married, and that’s one of
the great KEYS to their success. (Ho,
ho, and a hardeharhar. I can hear the women on this one.)
(Ho, ho, and a hardeharhar. I can hear the women on this one.)
They can betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all the Irish
Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can betray
us in Vietnam and walk away. They can betray us every time we go to the
hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk away, because
it’s "for the greater glory of God"—Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam:
the greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.
Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?
Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with the
Pope of their making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem.
That’s their ultimate goal.
Martin: And why is Solomon’s Temple rebuilt so important?
Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When
Ignatius Loyola first started the Order, one of the first things he did
was, he wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit headquarters
there. So, he went there, he tried to do it and failed, came back, went
to school, started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a good idea
to just review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.
Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was
wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish, and his leg was
shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very brave in
conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set the leg
and sent him back to his home—which, of course, he was royalty to the
Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the Basques.
Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg—it had
healed improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg,
with severe, horrible, awful pain—and trying to stretch this leg to
get it back to normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had it
rebroken, again, a couple of times and it still did not heal properly,
so he had a perpetual limp. He could no longer be the courtier among
women, and as a result, he went into this depression, and he then had
this vision of the saints, etc., etc., and he wrote his spiritual
I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute, but I’ll
take up from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when this
happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual exercises would
be basic training for all of his Jesuits. That’s what they will ALL go
through. That’s what every Jesuit goes through today.
One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my superior
says "black is white and white is black", then that’s the
way it is. That is in his spiritual exercises. That is what is quoted in
JFK, when Kevin Costner is telling his people: "Hey, people,
we’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. Black is white and white is
black." That was a Jesuit giveaway that the Jesuits produced that
movie, because they’re quoting Ignatius Loyola in that movie from his
So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel, and he
set his mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the Reformation.
And so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created the
Jesuit Order. But this man is a soldier, he’s a lawyer, and he put
together a legion of soldiers and warriors to get back what Rome had
lost, as well as institute a World Government for the Pope, from
Jerusalem. This was in 1540.
He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the Inquisition, and
he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at the feet
of the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The Pope chartered
him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered them, created the
Jesuit Order; now he has Papal protection, and they began their awful
history of deeds of blood. And war after war after war after war,
they’re all attributed to the Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic
nobles, with lots of money, donated castles and schools and money to the
Virtually everything they own has been given to them or stolen by
them. Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World War
II. They stole all their gold, all their assets and everything, whenever
they went into a country. What’s just been released is NOTHING
compared to what they’ve taken.
In Edmond Paris’s book, printed by Ozark Publications, called The
Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did.
It calls it—the last 30 years of war is all attributable to the
Jesuits, their massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But Edmond Paris
did not understand that the Jesuit General—and this is one of the most
important points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach—the Jesuit
General is in complete control of the international intelligence
community: that’s the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Israeli Mossad, the
German BND, the British SIS. The Jesuit General is in COMPLETE CONTROL
of the entire intelligence apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in
this country, all of it; he is in complete control of it.
So, whenever he wants to find something out about an individual, they
put in the Social Security number, and everything from all of the
intelligence apparatus kicks-in and he and his provincials can review
everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it, everything
that’s attached to Rome’s social security number, which FDR put upon
us in 1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he was
Archbishop, or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes—but Rome was behind FDR in
putting him in office.
The couple of things that he did was implement social insecurity, the
income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin’s bloody Jesuit USSR
government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security number, that
is Rome’s number—that’s why I refuse to use it—and that’s why
they want everybody using it for everything: driver’s license, tax
return, credit card, everything you do, that number is you and that
number is Rome’s number.
Martin: Let me just back-up here for a minute. What comes to
mind is Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.
Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight of
Columbus; I can’t prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has
got to be a Knight of Columbus.
And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And Louis
Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City bombing
atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic named Lon
So, it’s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of the FBI,
who carried out all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh and
Lon Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal O’Connor of
New York. And Cardinal O’Connor of New York is the most powerful
Cardinal in the country. He is the military vicar. And that’s why Bush
kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal O’Connor
is the King of the American Empire. And he rules his Empire from
that Palace, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, "the little Vatican".
Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with Kolvenbach?
Phelps: Of course. O’Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but the
Jesuits are like the SS of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.
And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the Jesuits of
Fordham University. Now, one of them—the head of Fordham University, I
believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR [Council on
Foreign Relations]. And I have that right here in the Annual Report
of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain semblance and rule
over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the powerful Jesuits of
Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster Dulles, one of the writers
of the book on the Second Vatican Council.
Martin: Let’s back-up now, let’s go back. What’s the
Council of Trent?
Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the
Protestant Reformation. Remember—the Protestant Reformation brought us
all of the political liberty that we know of today. There’s no such
thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation. There’s no such
thing as private rights without the Reformation. There’s no such thing
as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of Montesquieu and the
others, without the Reformation.
So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by
grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the priesthood
to go to Heaven—that all we need is salvation in Christ, and Romans
1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the Reformation came,
it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The priests were no
longer wanted because the people were getting the word of God in a Bible,
specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these great
revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations were
breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire was
breaking up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a
gardener. So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking the power of the
Holy Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the Pope.
Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing lots of
money. The nations were not paying "Peter’s pence" anymore,
which today we call "foreign aid" in this country. And so the
Pope was very upset about his.
What’s he going to do? These nations are breaking away from us;
they’re not under our temporal or spiritual power; and it’s very
important to remember that the Pope claims two powers—spiritual and
temporal—and with the breaking of his spiritual power, he then lost
his temporal power. In other words, he no longer had the ability to rule
the people through the king of the country, because the king was
breaking away, like Henry VIII.
So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed the Church
of England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was happening in
England, in Germany, in Holland, and other places.
As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius Loyola with his
demonisms, his "spiritual exercises" and—because Loyola had
been a member of the Spanish Alumbrados, which is what we
call the Illuminati today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt to
regain back what had been taken by the Reformation—what the Lord had
done through Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin,
and Knox—none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to
older age and died peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit
The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25 Sessions
accurse and condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It condemns
anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ is in the
host [holy communion bread], and that his literal blood is in the
wine. That’s called transubstantiation. Anybody who does not believe
that is an accursed anathema. Anybody who believes that their salvation
is outside the Catholic Church is accursed anathema. Anybody who
believes in justification by grace through faith—anathema, accursed.
Anybody who believes that the Pope is not the vicar of
Christ—accursed, anathema. You see, all of these doctrines were being
put forth as a result of reading the Bible, which produced the
Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed everything that the Reformers
were preaching. This is all in Law called the Council of Trent.
In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important Session, the
Jesuits condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of
conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his own religion; no man
has the right to publish what he feels is the truth; and no man has the
right to freedom of conscience.
Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist forefathers in the
First Amendment. The man who wrote the First Amendment was
James Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was told by that
Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: "If you don’t
secure all those rights, Virginia will not ratify the Constitution."
Virginia was a Baptist/Calvinist state.
So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the doctrines
of the Reformation, particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his
Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin  wrote
the Institutes Of The Christian Religion, he finished it when he
was 27, and he dedicated it to the King of France. And because the
Jesuits so hated him, he was driven from France and he resided in Geneva
to the day of his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It’s
Calvin and his Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola
and his Council of Trent, if you want it sewed-up in two major
Martin: Council of Trent was what year?
Phelps: From 1545-1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a little
town in Italy. So, it was a Council that took place in the town of
The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that was
finished in 1648, after the 30 Years War, is another extension of
Calvin’s Institutes, and is what the Church of Scotland and the
Covenanters went by when they resisted the powers of Rome
and England. That document is a major document, and it’s not the new Westminster
Confession, it’s the old one of 1648, where they called the Pope
the man of sin, that Roman Anti-Christ, and they also denounced
And that it is their duty, to use what they call "the sword of
the spirit", which is the Word of God, which we read in Ephesians,
Chapter 6, and "the sword of just defense"—the gun, the
So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and a time
for war, and we do not refuse to go to the battlefield when it’s
necessary. It was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty in
England with Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent Baptist. It
was Calvinists in Holland who gave the Dutch their political liberty,
with William of Orange, and later his son, Prince Maurice, and then
later, in our great country, when it was Washington, the Freemason who
did not go into that Masonic Lodge the last 30 years of his life—in
his own words—who was a Baptist and a Calvinist. He was baptized in
the First Baptist Church of New York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano,
all surrounded by Calvinists.
That’s why they didn’t surrender at Valley Forge; that’s why,
when they were naked, when they went through the snow, barefoot, they
endured that because they were Bible-believing Calvinists and
they refused to submit to the tyranny of King George, who was controlled
by the Jesuits.
And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul, we’ve
lost everything. And those very same Baptists, in the Second
Amendment, secured their right to bear arms, because they secured
the right, the "sword of just defense". And the "sword of
the spirit" is contained in the First Amendment, the right
to have the Bible never taken from them. The two swords of
Calvinism are secured in the First and Second Amendments.
Without those first two Amendments, all the others are nothing.
Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So, let’s go to #3 of
the seventy. (laughter)
How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman’s signing into
law of the Emergency War Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit
Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese called
"Dirty Harry"—when they heard the movie Dirty Harry
came out, they thought it was a movie about Harry Truman, according to
my Japanese pastor friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.
Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast
Democratic machine in Missouri. Harry Truman takes over
after FDR’s murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard
Baruch. When he did that, he then finished up the war with the hoax
called the dropping of the nuclear bombs, to purposely create this
greater hoax called the Cold War, that would enable the Vatican to knock
over country after country after country, and replace the leaders with
dictators, subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold
And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the Emergency War
Powers Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were building bomb
shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.
When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under military
or martial law, and that’s when the flags in every courtroom, state
and federal, began to be changed. And every state flag and every U.S.
flag is now trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever you see a flag trimmed
in gold fringe, that means that it is the flag of the
Commander-in-Chief. Now, if it’s the state flag, it means that’s the
flag of the governor, as Commander-in-Chief. And if it’s the federal
flag, or the national flag, more correctly, it’s the flag of the
Commander-in-Chief in Washington.
So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of military
They all proceed with summary procedures. The jury has no power of jury
nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the Empire,
which I call 14th Amendment America, which is a military-style,
King of England-style country. The courts are nothing more than courts
of the king’s bench, as you can see in Blackstone’s Commentaries.
And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have a flag
trimmed in gold fringe. The bank is what England would call, in
Blackstone’s day, the king’s bank. So, we have the king’s bank,
and we have the king’s bench. And it’s run according to military
rule, according to Berkheimer’s great work Military Rule And
Martial Law, published in 1914.
When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a great plan
to put us under the Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war rule.
"Daylight savings time" is what was called "war
time". This country only went to daylight savings time during World
War II, and they called it, at that time, war time. So, nothing’s
changed. We’ve never gone back to not turning back our clocks. We’re
still on war time. The income tax is a war tax. It was called a victory
tax in 1942.
So, people are paying a war tax, they’re under war time, they’re
under an emergency war powers act, and the courts are war courts.
Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John Kennedy,
which could take this entire interview, you say that the
assassination was ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by Pope Paul
VI, and carried out by the "American Pope", Francis Cardinal
Spellman—who, in turn, used the Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons,
Knights of Columbus, and Mafia Dons, including the FBI and CIA, to carry
out the order from Rome. Would you explain why you believe your
particular theory on the assassination to be an accurate representation
of the facts?
Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are
properly outlined [in his book], and proven through two centuries
of showing how it’s all been put together. Now, as to why, I will be
conservative and stick with Fletcher Prouty’s reasons, that he
outlined in his JFK and also his other book called The Secret
The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the
Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets two
questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome control the CIA?
The answer is yes on both counts.
We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called
"Spelly’s War"—Cardinal Spellman’s war. He went over to
the warfront many times and he called the American soldiers the
"soldiers of Christ". The man who was the Commander of the
American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of
Columbus, I don’t know, but he was General William Westmoreland.
So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that
war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland was
Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines Johnson
was a 33rd-degree Freemason. He was also part of the assassination, with
J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd-degree Freemason.
And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at St. Patrick’s
Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney’s work The
American Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of
Cardinal Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd-in-control of the FBI.
According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets,
DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and
Johnson could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject
Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by the
Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam War? The
people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They would not
convert to Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.
There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had
been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be
"purged". They would later continue this purge of Cambodia,
with Pol Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of
Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they
purged the Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was
completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.
The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The
Vatican controls all of the drug trade—all of the heroin, all of the
opium, all of the cocaine, everything going around in Columbia.
Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with
the Pope. Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a
concordat. Franco had a concordat.
They want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan
formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The
greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.
So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that
drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with
Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn’t want the drug trade
out of Columbia, they’d end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run
by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the
And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries
ago, out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun
is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit "black
ships" that trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and
opals and everything they could pull out of the East, including opium.
The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive
drug-trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being
brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by
the Trafficante family throughout the United
States—Santos Trafficante out of Miami.
So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade.
We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination of
The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time, Jean-Baptist
Janssens] wanted Kennedy out of the way was because he was going to
end the Vietnam War.
The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA, because
the CIA had betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not giving
the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that Roman Catholic,
Jesuit-trained, grease-ball bastard—he was a bastard, his father was a
Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion, which
sacrificed all the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs there, so
Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used by the CIA
and the KGB at the top, working together with Angleton controlling it,
in the Hungarian Revolution, when the CIA fomented that revolution, and
then betrayed all of those patriots into the hands of the Soviet army
and KGB, which infuriated certain top CIA officials.
It’s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you sacrifice
the men who truly want to resist. When that happened, when McGeorge
Bundy stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended that
resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of course, it
was meant to be by the Jesuits because they HAD trained him. So now
Kennedy looks bad. He’s got egg all over his face. What does he want
to do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and takes
all of the power away from the CIA, and gives it to the Joint Chiefs of
The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the founders of the
CIA was "Wild" Bill Donovan, an Irish Roman
Catholic, who are the most fanatical, and his brother was a Dominican
priest, Vincent. So, the CIA was founded by this high Roman Catholic,
the first head, to solidify the Catholic or the Vatican control of it.
I’m not against the Catholic people; I’m against Rome’s
hierarchy. The American Catholic people know NOTHING of what’s going
on. And if they did, there would be a march on St. Patrick’s tomorrow
morning. So, as I’m against the hierarchy, I’m showing that Kennedy
was against the Vietnam War, and he was going to do away with the CIA.
Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top Nazi SS soldiers
into the CIA because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill the Jews in
Europe. When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits followed
with the SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews. That’s why
Stalin deliberately killed 40,000 of his best officers. That’s why he
kicked out his best generals, purged them, because he wanted to make
sure that the Red Army would lose with the advance of the German army,
because following that would come the SS and purge Russia of the Jews
that Stalin so hated. And by the way, justice is often poetic because
Stalin’s daughter married a Jew.
Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now was an arm—and the
intelligence arm—of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta were throughout.
Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight of Malta. The Knights
were through and through. Angleton manned the "Vatican desk",
and that is a desk within the CIA that has a direct link to the Vatican.
So, Kennedy wanted to end this "intelligence community".
That was the end of him.
Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to end the
Vietnam War, and also because he attacked the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve
Bank by printing United States Notes, they got rid of him. They killed
our only Roman Catholic president.
And it’s another piece of poetic justice that a Roman
Catholic—not Protestants, like Harry Truman, FDR, and others—it’s
a Roman Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal power of the
Pope in this country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy was, in
fact, a socialist and communist, at least he resisted the temporal power
of the Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember his name.
But what have they done to his name? They’ve slammed it. They drag
it into the dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they parade before you
his womanizing, which I don’t deny, but my goodness, can’t we give
him some credit where credit is due? That’s why they got rid of John
And then, of course, as soon as he’s assassinated, John McCone, the
head of the CIA, the following day goes to the White House and they
reverse Kennedy’s Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and make a
full-scale, carte blanche war.
The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a CIA
war. And there they tried all of their new technology, their
anti-gravity machines, their men who they’re trying to make like the
"million-dollar man". They tried out all their new technology
in Vietnam. It was a great experimental theater, and Kennedy knew this.
He knew it, and he knew that the American people had no idea what was
going down, and he still tried to resist it, against his father’s
warnings. Because his father was the most powerful Knight of Malta in
Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?
Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication, John
F. Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his father’s real killers, and he had
the power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right away.
They would not allow that to happen.
Martin: Why haven’t you been taken out?
Phelps: Because I am immortal—until the Lord is done with
me. I am a Calvinist and a Baptist, and we believe in the sovereignty of
God. And as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot touch us,
regardless of their power.
Martin: Which is why we’re having this conversation.
Phelps: Which is why we’re having the conversation. Don’t
think for one moment they’re not tapping this phone. They know this.
The issue is here. We’re talking about a providential, sovereign God
who wishes to move, using second causes, men, just as the Devil does.
The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it’s one group of men
vs. another group of men, and one path leads to evil, and the true,
almighty God leads to goodness.
The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to believe
God anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It’s just a
handful of us who say: "Well, we’re going to do His Will; we’re
going to trust Him in His Power."
And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the fiery
furnace of Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us. We’re going
to tell the truth!
Martin: Let’s see here. I can throw away a lot of these
questions. So much of it seems, in a way, irrelevant to our current
times because there’s so much going on now. But, good grief! I was
just stunned to read in your book of all the historical things that have
happened as a result of these evil people. You dedicated the book to
four Roman Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles
Chiniquy, Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why
Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they
left the priesthood and told the truth about what was really happening.
And all four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with
their life. Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit assassination
of President Lincoln, when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In
The Church Of Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln was assassinated
by the Jesuits, and that it was covered-up by our government at the time.
Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came here and,
seeing the corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that it was so
corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later came to
Christ and became a Bible-believer, which they would call a
Protestant. Protestants today don’t believe the Bible.
Protestantism of today is an empty shell, it’s nothing. But, back
then, in 1912, they believed the Bible.
Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he exposed,
that helped me with this, was that he warned that the Jesuits, with
their Knights of Columbus—which, he says, the Knights of Columbus,
named after Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew and a pirate and
a deflowerer of young girls—that Columbus was no Christian.
He has a tremendous section in his book on Columbus. That the purpose
of the Knights of Columbus was to fulfill Jesuitical politics, and part
of those politics was to restore the temporal power of the Pope because,
you remember, the Pope had lost that in 1870 and they wanted to get it
back. And they got it back with Mussolini in 1929.
Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that Taft and
Teddy Roosevelt were all cow-towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of New
York. And he said they’re going to use our military to restore the
Pope’s temporal power around the world.
And THAT was absolutely correct. That is American foreign
policy. And the Council of Trent is the American foreign policy of
today. That’s what’s going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It’s the
Council of Trent—the Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb
those orthodox people to smithereens. But, that was Crowley’s great
Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The
People’s Padre; he wrote Crime And Immorality In The
Catholic Church, showing that Catholic nations are more lawless and
more criminal than Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics
from the jails.
Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The Assassination
Of Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln was
assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the
Catholic Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never was
saved, but he did tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a virtuous
and honorable life after he left.
The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly hated by
the Vatican because he was a very high Jesuit who came out and, in the
late ’60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in the ecumenical
movement, that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome controlled
Billy Graham; that Rome controlled, virtually, our government—Ronald
Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk,
indicating that this country will ultimately have a concordat. So,
Alberto Rivera converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a
ministry called The Anti-Christ Information Center, out of Los Angeles.
They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle up
between his teeth, trying to give him an infection in the brain. When he
passed out, about a year or so later, they couldn’t figure it out.
Everybody was praying for him. And this was discovered when he went to
another dentist. He had it removed.
He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five times to
kill the man, and finally he died, I believe, of cancer, in a hospital,
about three years ago. But these four wonderful, great, Catholic priests
did their best to expose the power of Rome and its attempts to destroy
our sovereign, Protestant, Bible-believing nation. And so, to
them, I dedicate it.
Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What started it
Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot first
and foremost—America first, and everybody else second. Later, when I
came to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible taught the
same thing—that the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never
instituted world governments; that’s always the result of the
So, being a patriot and a nationalist—believing in national
sovereignty—I was saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was garrisoned
in a nuclear weapons area for three years in Germany, came back and
started to go to Bible college.
When I went to Bible college, the issue of the King
James came up, as far as it being an archaic version. And that’s
what I used and I had never given it a thought. Well, some were using
NIV, some NASB, and I thought: "Well, maybe it’s just a modern
version of what I have here." And I thought: "Well, if they
want to use that, that’s fine, but I’ll use the King James."
I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James, the
Textus Receptus, was the Greek text of the Reformation. It
represents 95% of the existing manuscripts that we have today. The Greek
text that underlies all these other versions—there’s a Westcott and
Hort Greek text, which I then discovered was really a conspiracy to
adulterate the Textus Receptus in England, led by Brooke Foss
Westcott and Anthony Hort, who were Maryolitors, Mary-worshippers.
Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to sit in on
the revision committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a traitor to the
Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew-off the Anglican Church.
He then left England and he was then a Cardinal by Pius IX.
So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey, had been invited
to sit on this revision committee, the end result being a Greek text
that had been produced that was pro-Jerome’s Latin Vulgate.
Jerome’s Latin Vulgate is the basis for the Jesuit’s Reheims-Douay
text, that was put out in 1582, that was attempting to rival William
Tyndale’s English text, which later became the King James Version of
So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible college,
attempting to deprive me of the Word of God, the authorized version of
1611, in it’s present edition of 1769. Now I thought "Well, here
the Jesuits are, what else have they done?" And the next thing I
was led to was the Lincoln assassination. And I can remember reading
Burke McCarty’s The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of
Abraham Lincoln, and weeping in the back room, when I was in
Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of your
book was the series of revelations about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.
Phelps: That’s what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not
going to go along with the 14th Amendment. He wanted those
Southern states to re-enter the Union on the same footing that they had
left, which would have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had
established it. This the Jesuits would not allow. It would be converted
into an Empire. The states would be subordinate provinces to Washington.
And the 14th Amendment would accomplish this with the reversion
of citizenship. And Lincoln was re-elected, and he was ready to end
this, and that’s why they killed him. Kennedy was ready to implement
his things; they would not let him be re-elected.
Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across The
Phelps: The Jefferson Bible—and maybe you know
this—is Matthew, Mark, and Luke. And Thomas Jefferson, being the
Deist, being the pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural from
those three gospels. Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the
French Freemasons who were involved in the French Revolution, and he was
not here at the writing of our Protestant Constitution. So, the
Lord put him out of the picture. Jefferson was just used to help with
the Revolution—because the Lord does use the unGodly for good things.
But Jefferson copied much of the Declaration Of Independence from
the Mechlenburg Declaration, written by Calvinistic Presbyterians
of North Carolina, when they seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg
seceded from the Colonies.
Martin: Never heard of it.
Phelps: Yes, you’ll find it in Presbyterian writings. You
can find it from D. James Kennedy; he has a thing on it. And Jefferson
copied, at the end: "...and to this end we devote our lives, our
fortunes, and our sacred honor."
That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration.
Jefferson was a plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he was out of
here at the time of the writing of our Constitution. And the
reason why the people of Virginia did elect him to office was because he
was a State’s Rights man. He wanted limited powers in Washington, and
that was a good thing. And when Jefferson was elected, he undid
everything the king-president John Adams did, with his Alien &
Sedition Laws, because John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson
undid it, and Jefferson got two terms for that.
Martin: I’m looking at some things that are a little further
back now. The Secreta Monita. What’s the significance of that?
Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts at the end of
this interview] are the handbooks that are given to the professed
Jesuits, those under extreme oath. [The oath is presented in
full at the end of this interview.] And it tells them how to conduct
their plans, subjugating peoples and nations to the Jesuit General, and
thus, to the temporal power of the Pope. It tells how they are to
deceive. It shows how they are to swindle rich widows out of their
fortunes, like they did with Astor’s second wife who survived the
Titanic catastrophe. It shows their general approach on how to do
This particular book cannot be known, and if it’s ever published,
they will deny it’s existence. But when you see the works that the
Jesuits have done, it’s in complete agreement with the Secreta
There is a very interesting section in Edwin R. Sherwin’s book
The Engineer Core Of Hell, written in 1886 I believe—another
suppressed work. It’s usually in the archives of all the older
libraries back here. And he shows how this Secreta Monita was
discovered in South America by a Mason, and the Mason managed to escape
to a lodge after being shot. He turned the Secreta Monita over to
the lodge, and then these certain Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita.
There are certain low-level Freemasons who believe that the Jesuit Order
is their enemy, so that’s why it was taken to the lodge and then
published. But the high-level Masons, of course, work with them. The Secreta
Monita was discovered once that way. It was published in Holland.
Then, in 1857, reprinted by England.
Martin: Pascal’s Provincial Letters had a devastating
impact on exposing the Jesuits. Why?
Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a French Calvinist. So
here we have another fearless man. He doesn’t fear death; he’s going
to tell the truth. So Blaise Pascal wrote a series of letters that were
written to and from provincials, and he wrote them in a satirical
manner, that of course excited that wonderful French mind. The French,
of course, came to the conclusion that this was absolutely the truth,
and then they moved to suppress the Jesuits again. But his Provincial
Letters are considered a classic. Blaise Pascal also wrote some
other great works, too.
Martin: Pope Ganganelli-Clement XIV abolished the Order
entirely in 1773, and was murdered as a result.
Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.
Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39 times from
different kingdoms throughout Europe. It doesn’t take a genius to
figure out that something was terribly wrong with this group!
Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots? Are all those
people brainwashed bigots and fanatical Protestants who abolished the
You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in Catholic
countries, by Catholic monarchs. And that’s why the Roman Catholic
monarchs and nobility of today don’t dare resist them. The Kennedys
won’t touch them. The monarchs of Europe won’t touch them. The
Hapsburgs won’t touch them, because the Jesuits have vindicated their
power in the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars—well, then they
went to suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were, for the most
part, kicked-out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe
banned them. Germany banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II,
the second Thirty Years War, was pay-back for this. And ever since then,
nobody touches them.
Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal Bull; the Jesuits
call it a "brief". It is not a brief; it is in the Library of
the Bulls, and it is called Dominic Ac Redemptor Nostor. That is
the name of a bull. And when he abolished them, he abolished them
forever—that they were not to talk about their abolition, that they
were not to teach. He confiscated all of their wealth and land and
property. For the most part, the Dominicans took it over, which is why
the Dominicans had their penis cut off during the French Revolution.
That’s what the Jacobins did to them. It was payback by the Jesuits:
"You don’t dare take our property from us, boy. And you don’t
dare take Inquisition from us." Jacobins killed
nearly every Dominican in France.
Martin: Why was the assassination of William of Orange so
Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of religious
liberty. William of Orange is the man who gave the Jews the freedom to
come to Amsterdam. And the Jews called Amsterdam, "the new
Jerusalem". William of Orange was a Catholic to begin with.
Remember when he was in the forest, hunting with the king of France, and
the king of France lay bare to him their plans to destroy all the
Protestants in Holland, William kept silent. And that’s why he was
called "William the taciturn" or "William the
So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he went back to Holland
determined that he would deliver the Calvinists and the Protestants from
this annihilation. William went to Germany with his German wife, and he,
according to Motley in his The Dutch Republic, raised an army of
Germans and they did not succeed in liberating Holland. And so, it was
the Dutch themselves who joined William of Orange in an attempt to
liberate the country, which they ultimately did as the "wild
beggars of the sea".
So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered flight from the
siege of the fanatical Roman Catholic Spanish, lead by the Jesuits, when
the Lord providentially delivered and sent a strong wind over the dikes,
and flooded the whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.
And then, after that happened, He sent another strong West wind and
blew the water back over the dikes. This is a historical fact! Why
don’t we hear this in history? For the same reason we don’t hear
when Louis XIV brought his army across the river into Holland to kill
all those Dutch, in 1672, right around there, that the river, right
where the army was crossing, thawed out, and the whole French army went
to the bottom of the river, as a result of the prayers of those
Protestants of Holland. We’re not taught that either!
The assassination of William of Orange was probably the second most
significant act of Jesuit dominance, next to the murder of Coligny at
St. Bartholomew’s Massacre. Because it was first St. Bartholomew’s
massacre, and then the murder of William of Orange. And, of course,
William of Orange was shot by a Jesuit-controlled assassin, Balthazar
Girard, in his own house. And the last words of William, of course,
were: "God be merciful to these poor people."
Martin: What is the Royal Institute of International Affairs?
Phelps: The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the
same as the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal
Institute runs England and the British Empire, what was once the
extension of the British, just as the CFR runs our country. They’re
Martin: Where are they based?
Phelps: They’re based in London.
Martin: And who is their head; do you know?
Phelps: I don’t know right now. The John Birch Society wrote
a lot about that, and they did expose the CFR and the Royal Institute of
International Affairs. Allan Stang has written a lot about that.
Martin: What was the "Gunpowder Plot" of 1605?
Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the Jesuits attempt to
destroy what William Howitt—and Howitt was the great writer who wrote A
Popular History Of Priestcraft, 1835—he said it was a Jesuit
attempt to destroy our Great King Solomon, King James I, along with the
entire Protestant Parliament. Because remember, Elizabeth I had expelled
the Jesuits from her empire, and if they were ever caught they were to
be drawn and quartered.
After she died, the conspiracy went on there that went on with
William Cecil. They named Mary Queen of Scott’s son as the King of
England, rather than Elizabeth’s son, because Elizabeth had a son who
was the Earl of South Hampton, Wriothesley, and that was
the son of Edward Devere, who we know as William Shakespeare.
There was no William Shakespeare. The man was Edward Devere. He ran
the Globe Theater. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth,
and he secretly had a son who was the Third Earl of South
Hampton. He was the rightful heir to the thrown, not King James VI of
You can find all this documented in two great works: the first is
called Shakespeare Identified and the author is Looney. The
explosion of that book is called This Star Of England, written by
Carlton and Dorothy Ogborn, in 1952, and it’s a 1200-page work, and in
it they explain all the plays of Shakespeare, and that they are, in the
words of Hamlet: "A brief abstract and chronicle of the
times." Nothing but history.
And then there’s another book, Wasn’t Shakespeare Someone
Else?, written by Tweeny, and in that book he evaluates the 150
sonnets. In those sonnets Edward Devere put his name: Vere or Uvre or
Vere—he puts his name in acrostics throughout all the sonnets. And the
last couple sonnets he puts his name in double acrostics. It’s
amazing, showing that he wrote the sonnets.
Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about the Edict of
Nantes, and what was it’s significance?
Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes—it can be
spelled Nantes or Nantz. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes was put forward by
King Henry IV. King Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but he converted to
Protestantism and he became a Huguenot. But he was not allowed to take
the throne of France until he renounced his Protestantism. So, for the
sake of the kingdom, he renounced his Protestantism, and in 1610, I
believe, issued forth the Edict of Nantes.
The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to all the French.
That included the Protestant, Calvinist, Huguenots, which of course
included those who would have followed Admiral Coligny, who the Jesuits
murdered with that she-wolf, Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of
Nantes we have religious liberty in France. This cannot be. France is a
cornerstone of Jesuit power, so it cannot allow this to be in place. The
Council of Trent condemns it, because it’s freedom of conscience.
So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when they stabbed him
through his heart, according to Sully in his memoirs, they murdered
Henry IV for this, and also for attempting to reinforce the Dutch. They
then, in 1685—when the Beatles are singing about the "Sun
King" in their "white" album, they’re singing about
Louis XIV. And that’s telling you that the Beatles are
Jesuit-controlled. The Sun King, Louis XIV who reigned, who rules over
France for, I believe, 60 years, he, because of his Jesuit confessor,
Pere La Chaise, revokes the Edict of Nantes, and with that, no more
religious freedom in France.
And then they sent their French dragons out and beheaded and killed
every Huguenot they could find, driving 500,000 Frenchmen out of the
country, the wealth of France, the manhood of France, all left for
Holland and England. That destroyed France. From then on, France became
a nothing nation.
The French Revolution could never have happened had not the
Revocation of the Edict of Nantes taken place. Because now, there’s no
Bible in France. And to this day, the French have never published
a French version of the Textus Receptus. Number one, all French Bibles
have been produced in foreign countries, when they’ve been translated
from the Greek Textus Receptus into French; France has
never done it. That shows the Jesuit power over France to this day.
And the French have probably been the most manly, the strongest, the
most gracious, the most determined in kicking the Jesuits out of their
country. They’ve kicked them out, to my knowledge, three times—and
again, they come back, foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc. Drive
Eugene Sue into exile; he dies of a broken heart. Drive Calvin into
exile; he can never return to France. All the great Frenchmen are driven
So we have, as American patriots, we have a great camaraderie for the
French. They helped us in our American Revolution. And why did they help
us? Because they’ve been expelled from France. Why did Spain help us?
Why did they help finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had been expelled
from Spain. So payback came for Spain and France, for helping this
heretic, Protestant nation come into existence, with the Napoleonic
Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and drove the Bubons from the Spanish
throne. That was payback.
Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618-1648, you state that
the Jesuits, through Ferdinand II, killed-off 10 million people.
That’s quite a statement.
Phelps: That statement comes from Ridpath’s History Of
The World, published in 1899. And that is his encyclopedia of his
history of the world. That was common knowledge in 1899. The 30 Years
War was hell on Earth for Europe. Two-thirds of Germany was brought back
to Rome. It was leveled, plundered, and destroyed.
Wallenstein and Tilly were the fanatical Roman Catholic
generals who raped, pillaged, and plundered everything in their path.
But the Lord raised up certain great generals like Gustavus Adolphus
from Sweden. He was called the "Snow King" and he was the one
who ultimately, he paved the way for the victory of the 30 Years War.
But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years War, the peace of
Westphalia, which the Pope was not invited to, there would have
been no modern era as we know it today. According to any historian, the
modern era begins in 1648. That is when the 80 Year War in Holland ended
with Spain. That is when the 30 Years War ended with Ferdinand II and
the Protestants of Germany, and Sweden, and so-on.
1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era began, when
inventors could go to Germany and say: "Well, you know, maybe the
Earth isn’t flat." And maybe Leeuwenhoek could invent the
microscope in Holland, and now, later on, James Clerk Maxwell, who was a
Bible-believing, Protestant Presbyterian, he can write his
treatise called Electricity And Magnetism, the father of what we
know today about electricity and magnetism. Now, science can blossom and
bloom. Now we can have literature. Now we can have great writers, like
Sir Walter Scott, who writes great works like Ivanhoe and
Peveril Of The Peak. Now we can have Charles Dickens,
another Protestant, who writes A Tale Of Two Cities, one
of London and the other of Rome. We have great literature surfacing as a
result of the Modern Era.
But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy the Reformation
and the Modern Era and bring us back to the Dark Ages, seek to reverse
the effects of the Modern Era, and thus, what was brought about by the
30 Years War. And to know the 30 Years War is to understand the second
30 Years War, which started in 1914 and ended in 1945.
Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also expelled from Japan.
Apparently the Jesuits never forgot that.
Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200 years they have
been expelled. And remember the words of Lincoln: "The Jesuits
never forget nor forsake."
So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor had expelled them,
so that dynasty was targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor would be destroyed
or his dynasty would end. And so payback time was the mass fire-bombings
by the American Air Force, financed by the Jesuits, as the Jesuits own
Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald-Douglas, and Grumman, and they used their
B-29 to firebomb Japan to smithereens. You can get the fact that the
Jesuits control these aircraft companies from Avro Manhattan’s The
Martin: I’m trying to get a little more current here, but
some of this older stuff is also so fascinating, I’m going back and
forth here. Our readers are just going to have to be a little flexible
in their reading. (laughter)
Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish Massacre. What was it, and
let’s discuss the hatred between the Protestants and Catholics in
Ireland, as a result of the Irish Massacre.
Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom of speech,
freedom of conscience, freedom of the press. That is an outgrowth of
Protestantism, because all Protestants were defending their right to
believe the Bible in the face of Rome’s expectations to believe
the priests and the decrees of the Popes.
Many of the Irish were born-again. They came to know the Lord. Much
preaching was done up there. In fact, Patrick, of St. Patrick’s Day,
was no Catholic. He was a Protestant. And so, he was a great Protestant
preacher of Ireland, and many, many Irish came to know the Lord. And
their point of location was primarily in the North, in Northern Ireland,
which today is Ulster, Belfast, etc.
Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath that we are making
and waging relentless war on all Protestants, and all political
liberals, they hatched-out the plot to kill all the Irish Protestants in
Ireland with the O’Neil family. And I wonder if that O’Neil family
was related to Tip O’Neil?
In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and
the mobs in Ireland. When they started that massacre, it continued from
1641 to 1649. The massacre ended when they killed 150,000, but they
still taught the Catholic children to kill the Protestant children. So,
Irish Protestants were being massacred, enmasse, for 8 years.
This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking about Oliver
Cromwell, when Cromwell came up with his Puritan Army and
ended that, when he took Drogheda, and killed every living thing in
Drogheda—men, women, children, animal, everything.
Ones say: "Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look what he did to
Drogheda!" What about those beasts killing those Irish Protestants
for 8 years, bashing out the brains of the little babies, smashing them
up against the walls like they did, led by the priests?
This was just like they did in Croatia with the Serbs in World War
II, when they gouged-out the eyes of all the Serbians, where one
particular priest had 23 kilos worth of eyes. They were doing the same
thing to the Irish Protestants.
So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for the Irish
Massacre, and the Irish Massacre was NOT started by the Protestants, it
was started by the Jesuits according to Fox’s Book Of Martyrs.
And you can find the whole narration there, which was a classic that all
Englishmen used to read with the King James Bible.
Don't stop here. You will now get into the meat of it.